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		<title>By: Anger Hangover</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1496</link>
		<dc:creator>Anger Hangover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Readers,

I approved all of the comments I received on this post, but now it&#039;s time to move on and take up this discussion in your own blog space. Comments in this thread are officially closed. Thanks for your input, observations, and criticisms. It&#039;s been lively!

Anger Hangover</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Readers,</p>
<p>I approved all of the comments I received on this post, but now it&#8217;s time to move on and take up this discussion in your own blog space. Comments in this thread are officially closed. Thanks for your input, observations, and criticisms. It&#8217;s been lively!</p>
<p>Anger Hangover</p>
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		<title>By: Anger Hangover</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1495</link>
		<dc:creator>Anger Hangover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;DF:&lt;/b&gt; Your comment assumes that all readers here are Christian and that these passages matter to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>DF:</b> Your comment assumes that all readers here are Christian and that these passages matter to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick FItzgood</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1492</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick FItzgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you that are “not liberal” even the bible discusses prostitution and Jesus remarked about how a Prostitute could get into heaven about those of money and power:

Passage Matthew 21:32:   Jesus said to them, &quot;I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Also you should consider that Jesus did not want you to chastise, or to judge but rather to assist people in finding there way back to walking in his flock:

Passage Matthew 25:40: &quot;The King will reply, &#039;I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you that are “not liberal” even the bible discusses prostitution and Jesus remarked about how a Prostitute could get into heaven about those of money and power:</p>
<p>Passage Matthew 21:32:   Jesus said to them, &#8220;I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.</p>
<p>Also you should consider that Jesus did not want you to chastise, or to judge but rather to assist people in finding there way back to walking in his flock:</p>
<p>Passage Matthew 25:40: &#8220;The King will reply, &#8216;I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Dick FItzgood</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1491</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick FItzgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eeb-

While we agree for the most part I do notice that we have a few differences and I respect the amount of thought that you place into your argument and I must say &quot;touché&quot;. 

On a side note eeb my academic accomplishment was not meant to boast rather lend some credence to the way I write. I am not a college freshman with a thesaurus. Rather a frequent visitor to charm city who cares about its preservation.</description>
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<p>While we agree for the most part I do notice that we have a few differences and I respect the amount of thought that you place into your argument and I must say &#8220;touché&#8221;. </p>
<p>On a side note eeb my academic accomplishment was not meant to boast rather lend some credence to the way I write. I am not a college freshman with a thesaurus. Rather a frequent visitor to charm city who cares about its preservation.</p>
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		<title>By: eebmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>eebmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Just surfing the WaPo and came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/23/AR2007092301280.html?hpid=moreheadlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this very topical article from today&lt;/a&gt;.  Real Estate values in Logan Circle recently driving street walking trade away into NE residential areas.  Police solution:  Push it out into PG County.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Just surfing the WaPo and came across <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/23/AR2007092301280.html?hpid=moreheadlines" rel="nofollow">this very topical article from today</a>.  Real Estate values in Logan Circle recently driving street walking trade away into NE residential areas.  Police solution:  Push it out into PG County.</p>
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		<title>By: eebmore</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1489</link>
		<dc:creator>eebmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the question remains, where should it be moved to?  Every metropolitan area has one or more high prostitution areas.  You eliminate if from one place, it will regenerate somewhere else.  Even Tehran has streetwalking district, the only difference there is the tricks wear the hijab and show a little hair and ankle to ply their trade.  The Iranian morality police keep arresting them and the johns, but nothing eliminates the sex market.  Sorry if the “you picked bad real estate” comment was harsh, but I still stand by it, and I too live in a red light district.  Every year or so, the police push the transvestite street trade north a few blocks, but always comes back.  And yes, in principle, it is too bad that there are crime ramifications from the sex market for the people who call these areas home; but, nothing can be done about it, by the police or anybody else.  The only thing that will clean up an area is a rocket real estate market.  If pigtown wants to clean up, pigtown better hope for a real estate miracle.  Police may sometimes take credit for a reversal in a neighborhood’s or a municipality’s fortune, but it is always the real estate market.  All one can hope for is that the police and local government don’t screw up a market trend.  Then, hopefully, it will become someone else’s problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the question remains, where should it be moved to?  Every metropolitan area has one or more high prostitution areas.  You eliminate if from one place, it will regenerate somewhere else.  Even Tehran has streetwalking district, the only difference there is the tricks wear the hijab and show a little hair and ankle to ply their trade.  The Iranian morality police keep arresting them and the johns, but nothing eliminates the sex market.  Sorry if the “you picked bad real estate” comment was harsh, but I still stand by it, and I too live in a red light district.  Every year or so, the police push the transvestite street trade north a few blocks, but always comes back.  And yes, in principle, it is too bad that there are crime ramifications from the sex market for the people who call these areas home; but, nothing can be done about it, by the police or anybody else.  The only thing that will clean up an area is a rocket real estate market.  If pigtown wants to clean up, pigtown better hope for a real estate miracle.  Police may sometimes take credit for a reversal in a neighborhood’s or a municipality’s fortune, but it is always the real estate market.  All one can hope for is that the police and local government don’t screw up a market trend.  Then, hopefully, it will become someone else’s problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1470</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And I don’t believe the whole “You chose to move THERE, you deal with it” argument.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with Snay -- that&#039;s an idiotic argument at best.  How many people live here and can&#039;t (or don&#039;t want to) blog about what goes on in the neighborhood, yet deal with the aftermath of violent crime, drugs, and prostitution?  It&#039;s not like you have a small handful of residents who are sometimes held prisoner in their homes because of what goes on outside -- and they don&#039;t have the means to move away. Those folks deserve a clean and safe community just like anyone else does -- and until we clean up the streets, they&#039;ll never have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And I don’t believe the whole “You chose to move THERE, you deal with it” argument.</i></p>
<p>I agree with Snay &#8212; that&#8217;s an idiotic argument at best.  How many people live here and can&#8217;t (or don&#8217;t want to) blog about what goes on in the neighborhood, yet deal with the aftermath of violent crime, drugs, and prostitution?  It&#8217;s not like you have a small handful of residents who are sometimes held prisoner in their homes because of what goes on outside &#8212; and they don&#8217;t have the means to move away. Those folks deserve a clean and safe community just like anyone else does &#8212; and until we clean up the streets, they&#8217;ll never have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Malnurtured Snay</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1466</link>
		<dc:creator>Malnurtured Snay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eebmore, 

I&#039;m totally cool with legalized, legislated, regulated prostitution.   But we don&#039;t have that in Baltimore.  In Pigtown, what seems to be happening is the terrorizing of folks who live there, and are only by zip-code connected to the sex-trade.  When a so-called &quot;victimless crime*&quot; is actually victimizing folks who are neither interested in buying or selling sex, then it becomes a matter for law enforcement.  And I don&#039;t believe the whole &quot;You chose to move THERE, you deal with it&quot; argument.  Sure, that&#039;s easy for me in Timonium where the biggest crime I deal with is the occasional armed robbery in front of my apartment building -- so, what, I shouldn&#039;t be outraged about that armed robbery?  Because I chose to live here? 

When the johns are getting out of their car to threaten non-streetwalkers who tell them (rightfully) to &quot;fuck off&quot;, this is not just some lonely ugly guy who wants companionship, this is a violent individual who will, sooner or later, hurt someone who is in no way connected to the sex-trade.  

*And when one of the participants has an intimate significant other with whom he or she is not aware of the other&#039;s sexual liberties, then</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eebmore, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m totally cool with legalized, legislated, regulated prostitution.   But we don&#8217;t have that in Baltimore.  In Pigtown, what seems to be happening is the terrorizing of folks who live there, and are only by zip-code connected to the sex-trade.  When a so-called &#8220;victimless crime*&#8221; is actually victimizing folks who are neither interested in buying or selling sex, then it becomes a matter for law enforcement.  And I don&#8217;t believe the whole &#8220;You chose to move THERE, you deal with it&#8221; argument.  Sure, that&#8217;s easy for me in Timonium where the biggest crime I deal with is the occasional armed robbery in front of my apartment building &#8212; so, what, I shouldn&#8217;t be outraged about that armed robbery?  Because I chose to live here? </p>
<p>When the johns are getting out of their car to threaten non-streetwalkers who tell them (rightfully) to &#8220;fuck off&#8221;, this is not just some lonely ugly guy who wants companionship, this is a violent individual who will, sooner or later, hurt someone who is in no way connected to the sex-trade.  </p>
<p>*And when one of the participants has an intimate significant other with whom he or she is not aware of the other&#8217;s sexual liberties, then</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1463</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re famous AH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re famous AH!</p>
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		<title>By: eebmore</title>
		<link>http://angerhangover.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/like-zagats-except-different/#comment-1462</link>
		<dc:creator>eebmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don’t want to go there.  To euphemize, the release of sexual &lt;i&gt;energy&lt;/i&gt; wasn’t really  what I was talking about.  I was speaking of the biological need (or desire) to engage in sexual activity with another human being.  The outlawing of the exchange of sex for whatever is effectively the government or laws of government dictating that those who are genetically unattractive or genetically uncharming, or old, or not wealthy, are banned from sexual intercourse.  I find that prudish and invasive, which is where I found myself in agreement with Mr. Fitzgood.  On a theoretical level, what is the difference between exchanging sex for cash and exchanging sex for attention... or sex for social status... or sex for making you feel better about yourself... or sex more socially acceptable forms of monetary payment... or sex for getting your significant other to leave you alone for a week or so... or any other exchange for sex that is more &lt;i&gt;base&lt;/i&gt; than the poetic expression of &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; or procreation or whatever?  And what percentage of sex do these examples cover?  97%?  98%?  More?  Less?  How is it government or society’s place to decide what is legal or ethical to trade for money if what is being exchanged is legal?

I’m not saying that streetwalking, tricking or johning are not a valid concern for matters of public health, or human exploitation, or other public issues such as neighborhood safety... or, more importantly to matters of reality, real estate values.  But, as long as prostitution is illegal, then prostitution will manifest itself in ways that are a detriment to public health, human exploitation, neighborhood safety and, of course, real estate values.  What we are left with is the hope that social shame will solve society’s ills.  Sort of like the storyline of a Nathaniel Hawthorne novel, and if we play into this we’re like the dastardly characters in a Hawthorne novel... a bunch of fools and idiots who are aghast and disgusted when others fail for follow society’s rules, even when those rules don’t really make much sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don’t want to go there.  To euphemize, the release of sexual <i>energy</i> wasn’t really  what I was talking about.  I was speaking of the biological need (or desire) to engage in sexual activity with another human being.  The outlawing of the exchange of sex for whatever is effectively the government or laws of government dictating that those who are genetically unattractive or genetically uncharming, or old, or not wealthy, are banned from sexual intercourse.  I find that prudish and invasive, which is where I found myself in agreement with Mr. Fitzgood.  On a theoretical level, what is the difference between exchanging sex for cash and exchanging sex for attention&#8230; or sex for social status&#8230; or sex for making you feel better about yourself&#8230; or sex more socially acceptable forms of monetary payment&#8230; or sex for getting your significant other to leave you alone for a week or so&#8230; or any other exchange for sex that is more <i>base</i> than the poetic expression of <i>love</i> or procreation or whatever?  And what percentage of sex do these examples cover?  97%?  98%?  More?  Less?  How is it government or society’s place to decide what is legal or ethical to trade for money if what is being exchanged is legal?</p>
<p>I’m not saying that streetwalking, tricking or johning are not a valid concern for matters of public health, or human exploitation, or other public issues such as neighborhood safety&#8230; or, more importantly to matters of reality, real estate values.  But, as long as prostitution is illegal, then prostitution will manifest itself in ways that are a detriment to public health, human exploitation, neighborhood safety and, of course, real estate values.  What we are left with is the hope that social shame will solve society’s ills.  Sort of like the storyline of a Nathaniel Hawthorne novel, and if we play into this we’re like the dastardly characters in a Hawthorne novel&#8230; a bunch of fools and idiots who are aghast and disgusted when others fail for follow society’s rules, even when those rules don’t really make much sense.</p>
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