Warning: I wouldn’t open the first link if you’re at work.
I spotted this link over on a fellow Pigtowner’s site. With all the other crap that gets posted on the internet, I don’t know why a Baltimore Streetwalker Report forum surprised me. I suppose it’s a comfort that my mind just doesn’t wander in some directions.
Not exactly a news flash for anyone living on or near Washington Blvd in Pigtown, but Pigtown is clearly the place for finding just the right prostitute to suit your needs. This Baltimore streetwalker report is so timely and informative. I really appreciate the abbreviations section too! It’s such a treat seeing the names streets and intersections so close to my house because I always wondered what it was like to be popular. It’s an even bigger treat recognizing the descriptions of some of the girls. Thanks to this forum, I no longer have to wonder about the quality or types of services they offer as they are screeching on the street in front of my house at 4 a.m.
I hope a description of my services makes it on this forum some day under a new thread that says something like:
Pistol-Whipped in Pigtown
Approached what I thought was a WSW (white streetwalker) taking out her trash. Pulled up and asked her for a date. She leaned in my window and then pistol-whipped me with a large caliber revolver. Result was many broken teeth. I don’t think she was LE (law enforcement), but I also didn’t ask. Avoid Pigtown unless you have a good dental plan.
Monday, September 17, 2007 at 4: 41 pm |
Ugh. Makes me want to get a gun. A big one.
Monday, September 17, 2007 at 6: 58 pm |
I think it’s hillarious that these guys get robbed and shoved around. I wonder, though — what excuse do they give their wives when their wallet or cel was stolen?
I can’t believe some of the crap I read on the internet.
Funny — I was just posting about you and LF.
Monday, September 17, 2007 at 8: 25 pm |
I give your suggestion a four star rating!
Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 11: 04 am |
people are stupid.
that is all.
Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 12: 19 pm |
maybe the johns can just tell their wives that they got ho’s in different area codes…
Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 3: 17 pm |
I just always found it kind of pathetic that people would pay for sex. Now I find it really pathetic that they’d pay for sex and hide behind a forum to talk about it.
Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 4: 53 pm |
Jessica: This why I have several guns.
Carol: Yeah, I’ve often wondered what the hell they tell their wives. “Honey, I don’t have any idea where this painless canker sore in my groin came from.”
Anon Ann: Thank you! Customer service is paramount.
Meg: And skanky.
J$: Is Mrs. $ okay with that excuse?
ACW: The really infuriating thing is these guys almost never get busted by the police. I think a little humiliation, like getting arrested and having to explain that to family and friends, would go a long way.
Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 10: 34 pm |
I do not pay for the sex I pay her to leave immediately so I can make a sandwhich and drink a beer followed by the requisite nap.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 9: 03 am |
i was merely being a bit ludacris…
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 9: 57 am |
In Pigtown the johns are ruthless, if you look halfway decent they will follow you around relentlessly regardless that you are not looking for a date and merely outside getting some exercise. These guys are the lowest of the low. I will walk anywhere in this city with the exception of Pigtown.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 12: 26 pm |
Anger-
I fully believe that each human being has the right to fulfill their needs/wants as long as it is agreed upon by both parties and does not injure either party. This is the oldest profession known to man (and woman), and most of the time it is practiced with out the explicit exchange of money for sex it is practiced every evening at clubs and restaurants.
For example:
By your posting today I will assume that you are a SWF (single white female) and being a Baltimore resident I will assume that you hang out at the Power Plant for entertainment and music. You are standing by the bar and the bartender arrives bearing a drink from a man down the bar. You two converse, and decide to exchange numbers. Over the next few weeks he takes you to dinner (for which you don’t pay), movies (for which you don’t pay) and eventually you decide to have sex with him. You may like or not like the guy. You may just be curious about his sexual prowess. I know I would rather have the cash and know that I am a whore, than a demented view of reality thinking that I am perfectly normal.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 12: 38 pm |
Trickbaby: Why not have her make the sandwich for you?
J$: That’s a given.
Cham: Welcome to my daily existence!
DFitzgood: Cute moniker. Based on the example in your comment, I will assume you are not a regular reader of my blog.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 12: 49 pm |
Wow, this Fitzgood joker must be retarded.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 01 pm |
My Dearest Anger-
Angry feministic musings don’t normally interest me, just like Baltimore prostitutes. But today as I was considering what to write on my own blog I happened across yours. Your ineptitude to understand human desires is unpardonable and your portrayals of the men who hire these women are reprehensible. These hard working women of PIGTOWN (they do work hard) are able to make enough to not only eat and care for themselves and their families, but to also support the drug habit which has rained its toxic sludge across our fair city. Instead of complaining about a victimless crime (which isn’t a crime in most developed nations) consider trying to find a way to rid your neighborhood of the drug dealers that plague your streets.
By the way “pistol whipping” is a felony.
Sincerely,
Richard
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AH: …yawn… (repeat my response to your previous comment).
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 08 pm |
Dear Anonymouscoworker,
I have posted what I thought were very well worded postings to Angers blog but a didn’t realize that I needed a transltor for you:
“Ar Matey,
Dem whenchs dat populates that port-o-baltimere ar hardy whenches and dey should be able to continue to due thar duty to the men that work hard for this port. If yee decideds to mess wit dem I’ll shiver ur timbers Arrrr”
Does that clear it up for you? Don’t worry your blog is next.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 13 pm |
You know, I still don’t think Mr. Fitzgood has perused your archives AT ALL. I’m with ACW, he MUST be retarded.
BTW, want to meet up at Powerplant later, for a drink?
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 14 pm |
Richard must not have the money for a BBBJ right now, so he’s taking his limp and wailing frustration out on AH. How droll.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 30 pm |
Actually I have perused the archives and I am very familiar with Anger and her “Lesbian Gone Wild” history
. I am also familiar with her girlfriend of two and a half years that just recently moved in. I am sorry that your LF was harassed but still the action of a few does not warrant the overreaction to many. Instead of complaining why don’t you start helping some of these ladies to rehab, finding them jobs, & places to live (since everyone know jail doesn’t work with regards to drug rehab)
I have not called any of you names I only provided you with an alternative point of view (similar to your lifestyle) people don’t have to accept it but respect it. Anger if I was in PIGTOWN and I saw you being bothered I would step in (I’m not that much of an @$$)
Just because we differ on a subject doesn’t mean that we can’t have intelligent discourse surrounding it.
Sincerely,
Richard
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 43 pm |
ACW and NPR,
I am insulted and offended by your libelous hate filled words. I can’t believe that a blog such as this that is relatively liberal would have such a bias towards someone else’s choices.
Sincerely,
Richard
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 1: 43 pm |
Hey ItzSmall –
Make sure to tell your wife how prostitution is a victimless crime the next time you give her a raging case of chlamydia – and try explaining that SW funk that’s eating through the passenger seat of your 1987 Ford Fiesta. You know, kinda like the acid blood that came out of the creature from Alien, only more toxic.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 2: 04 pm |
OMG there are more haters on here than Perez Hilton. Cuz, you are controversial!!!! CONGRATS!
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 2: 06 pm |
Richard,
I am insulted and offended by your disingenuous and argument-baiting words. I can’t believe that a blog such as this that is not-at-all liberal would be the best place for you to equate a crime with someone else’s choices.
Sincerely,
ACW
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 2: 17 pm |
This person comes up with a puerile pseudonym like that and then expects people to take him/her seriously?
Hell, I’d rather read about your perfume allergy, or even ACW’s neighbor’s shed. And no offense, guys, but that’s kind of saying a lot.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 2: 18 pm |
Speaking of which, ACW, don’t you owe me some random piece of junk from your basement?
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 2: 42 pm |
HEY BUDDY, WHO ARE YOU CALLING A LIBERAL??????
Talk about name-calling. Sheesh.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 3: 05 pm |
LF:
Why do you have to be so small minded and denigrate an argument with an abundance of emotion and very little fact? Being a single average looking guy (trust me I am giving myself too much credit here) I have been able to talk my way into more exciting situations than one could ever imagine with a prostitute. If you had read my posts I don’t participate in prostitution, however I firmly believe in respecting peoples right to choose don’t you?
ACW:
If you are offended by my comments I apologize, but I stand by my argument.
YNL:
The fact that my pseudonym maybe “puerile” is not the argument. My name could have been Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, Keiffer Mitchell, or Sara Willard and you all would not have liked what I was saying because of your lack of empathy, and myopic view of the world.
Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 12: 04 am |
I think if Dick was a white female living in a not-great-area-of-Baltimore City and was being harassed by assholes swinging through and asking him for sex everytime he ventured out of his front door, Dick might reconsider his stance on both the “quality of life” issues of living in an area known for prostitution, as well as revise his opinion on the appropriateness of pistol-whipping.
Personally, had I been in AH’s shoes when LF was threatened by an asshole looking for a BJ, I would’ve shot out the fucker’s backwindow (but I’ve got anger management issues). What’s he going to do? Go to the police? “Uh, yeah, I got my window shot out while trolling for a prostitute.” Sure he is. Then he can explain to his wife why he was in Pigtown, and she can thank herself for being strict about making sure her husband always wears a condom.
You want prostitution to be legal? Then make it legal. Legislate it. Regulate it. Put prostitutes in a brothel, and when some guy gets pulled over with a crackwhore’s mouth on his cock and he starts railing about how it’s a victimless crime, throw him in Central Booking until his wife cools down enough to bail him out.
Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 10: 43 am |
i like pie…
Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 10: 47 am |
ha, you have “Dick” commentors too!
But hey, you don’t have a real blog til you get plagued by some weiner calling you “reprehensible,” right?
He’s not retarded, he’s a college freshman with a theasaurus who took a girl out to dinner, didn’t get any and is now looking up synonyms for “reprehensible.”
Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 4: 02 pm |
My name could have been Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, Keiffer Mitchell, or Sara Willard and you all would not have liked what I was saying because of your lack of empathy, and myopic view of the world.
Oh give me a break. That’s a typical liberal argument — because nobody’s agreeing with you, we’re insensitive dolts. Good try, but it won’t work here. As Snay said above, try being a regular (non-hooker-esque) woman sitting outside your business or walking down the street, and deal with the harrassment from men who think you’re for rent. Deal with that shit for ONE day, and I guarantee you’ll change your mind. Better yet, let your wife deal with it and see how long her “empathy” lasts. Prostitution is not a victimless crime, not by a long shot. Living in this neighborhood, some of us deal with the aftermath day in and day out.
Thursday, September 20, 2007 at 6: 52 pm |
I actually think the offensive moniker IS part of the argument. It seems to me, reading back, that AH’s readers reacted more to the thinly-veiled contempt and hostility inherent in the commenter’s ludicrous mischaracterization of her than to the commenter’s stance on prostitution. At least initially.
It’s hard to argue with ACW’s summation of someone who would call himself “Dick FitzGood” and AH a whore. Retarded, or just looking for attention in a really juvenile way.
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 4: 19 am |
I too wonder why you aren’t helping crack ho’s with finding jobs and housing and kicking their drug habits. Can I be your first project ?
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 5: 36 am |
Snay- If you read my post I did empathize with some of AH’s views, but why is it that we can’t differ and post without calling each other names?
Choco- Actually reprehensible is part of my regular vocabulary. Having a bachelors from Princeton, and a MBA from Columbia will do that to you. .
Carol- No one has ever called me a liberal, but thank you I guess.
Johnny- So do I…. especially apple
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 9: 15 am |
I used to work with a wide variety of prosties for an HIV prevention/testing program. the notion of just ‘helping them clean up/reclaim their life off of the streets” is not an easy feat, that is why there a slew of [rather wonderful] non-profits staffed by incredibly patient and loving people trying full time to help. if i were dealing with the same harrassment as AH, getting involved in trying to help a single lady or two out sets a situation for even more guilt by association in the eyes of the johns. and yes, mr fitzgood, drugs are totally at the core. and yes they have cast a toxic slude over the city. but it is a far reaching sludge. there is no easy solution to the problems they are causing when you have 1/7th of the city shooting drugs.
and there is a direct line from the drugs to the dealers to the sex workers to the johns. But i really think it is a different line [albeit intersecting] from the johns to AH and her ladyfriend getting hassled.
i am all for de-criminalizing selling sex. i am alllll for regulating the sex trade within a industry like The Netherlands, HOWEVER, i dont think that Baltimore could make the transition when it is so mired up in drugs and violent crime. there will always always always be people who pay for sex. the goal should be to reduce the dangerous shell that it operates in. or something. wait, where is the pie? peach? with lattic top please.
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 10: 07 am |
Dick – I don’t recall calling you a name (except for “Dick” which is your moniker of choice), unless, of course, you’re admitting that you’re the asshole who threatened LF (and, no, I’m not talking about “threatening” her on the forum, but after she told a persistent john to fuck off).
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 10: 08 am |
Mr Butterworths: Good points! There also seems to be this assumption that all junkie prostitutes want help and want to get clean. This simply is not true. On more than one occasion, I’ve heard, “I don’t wanna quit gettin’ high. I just need to make money to keep doing it.” You can’t help those who don’t want it. Let’s just say, hypothetically, all of the hookers in Pigtown want to get off drugs and we were able to get them all off the street today, got them drug treatment, counseling, housing, and legit jobs. Would this stop men from trolling the streets looking for sex? No. And there will be new junkie prostitutes filling the void almost immediately.
I’m all for making prostitution legal. Let’s treat it like any other goods & services and tax it and put zoning restrictions on it – preferably have it exist outside the beltway in a non-residential area. People who are no way involved in the ass-for-rent business, should not be put at risk because of all the shit that goes along with prostitution. There is no simple solution though, you’re right. Drugs, violence, prostitution – they all overlap and help keep each other in business. The really sad thing is the local police in this district have told us to protect ourselves by whatever means necessary because they may not be able to get to our house quickly. It would be really unfortunate if residents of the blocks these john and hookers infect started taking the law into their own hands. It’s something to consider before approaching a white girl in Pigtown who’s sitting on her stoop or talking out her trash or simply just walking down the street.
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 11: 06 am |
Dick Fitzgood, although I think you’re being far more obnoxious than is necessary for a devil’s advocate on this issue, I am willing to agree with you to a point. Puritanical condemnations and social convictions with shame being employed as a tool is far more disgusting to me than either tricking or johning. I’d rather live surrounded by a hundred prostitutes than ten prudes.
Although I consider ACW a friend, I consider his statement “I just always found it kind of pathetic that people would pay for sex. Now I find it really pathetic that they’d pay for sex and hide behind a forum to talk about it.” to be lame. That is easy enough for him to say. He is young, admittedly charming, and not altogether hideous. He’s also married, but that is somewhat besides the point. If he wants fulfill his biological need to have sex, I don’t think a monetary exchange is necessary. Not all men are in the same boat as him. Many are simply not young, not charming, not attractive or not wealthy enough to attract a mate otherwise. Should they be socially outcasted for pursuing one of the basic biological needs? Basically, he is saying it is pathetic to be unattractive, uncharming, old, not wealthy enough or any combination thereof to attract a mate and still want to fulfill the biological need. Attractiveness is genetic. Despite popular myth, so is charm. Age is an unavoidable condition. And wealth? Well… wealth or the lack of wealth, is what it is. “Pathetic” is a social distinction, and on that level I cannot disagree with him. Society does look down on these traits – at least on some level. I find branding people with the scarlet “P” to be distasteful. Far more distasteful, in fact, than paying for sex. But I’m not in charge of deciding what is pathetic, society is. Is it just that men in such a situation should be condemned to involuntary celibacy?
I may judge men engaged in sex trade who are married and are still sexually active with their wives (or, conversely – if their wives are still sexually active with them), but that is as far as I am willing to go with the judgment.
Am I willing to defend streetwalking? No, the social and health problems associated are simply too overwhelming. But, I am unwilling to criticize some form of legalized, regulated prostitution. As no such system exists in this country outside of Nevada, unregulated illegal prostitution will inevitably fulfill the niche. If someone does not support some sort legalized prostitution, and your neighborhood becomes one of the zones where this inevitable trade takes place, well – what can I say? You picked bad real estate. You better hope the authorities move it to some other neighborhood and make it someone else’s problem.
With all that said, Dick Fitzgood, even though I was somewhat willing to stand with you as a devil’s advocate, as most of the arguments against you sucked, you lost me at…
“Having a bachelors from Princeton, and a MBA from Columbia will do that to you.”
Bragging about your academic credentials anonymously is actually even more pathetic than bragging about your academic credentials without anonynimity. I know, I know, “pathetic” is a social distinction, as I said before, but it is one that I’m willing to embrace.
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 12: 05 pm |
“Should they be socially outcasted for pursuing one of the basic biological needs?”
Well, I mean, there’s always masturbation.
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2: 24 pm |
I really don’t want to go there. To euphemize, the release of sexual energy wasn’t really what I was talking about. I was speaking of the biological need (or desire) to engage in sexual activity with another human being. The outlawing of the exchange of sex for whatever is effectively the government or laws of government dictating that those who are genetically unattractive or genetically uncharming, or old, or not wealthy, are banned from sexual intercourse. I find that prudish and invasive, which is where I found myself in agreement with Mr. Fitzgood. On a theoretical level, what is the difference between exchanging sex for cash and exchanging sex for attention… or sex for social status… or sex for making you feel better about yourself… or sex more socially acceptable forms of monetary payment… or sex for getting your significant other to leave you alone for a week or so… or any other exchange for sex that is more base than the poetic expression of love or procreation or whatever? And what percentage of sex do these examples cover? 97%? 98%? More? Less? How is it government or society’s place to decide what is legal or ethical to trade for money if what is being exchanged is legal?
I’m not saying that streetwalking, tricking or johning are not a valid concern for matters of public health, or human exploitation, or other public issues such as neighborhood safety… or, more importantly to matters of reality, real estate values. But, as long as prostitution is illegal, then prostitution will manifest itself in ways that are a detriment to public health, human exploitation, neighborhood safety and, of course, real estate values. What we are left with is the hope that social shame will solve society’s ills. Sort of like the storyline of a Nathaniel Hawthorne novel, and if we play into this we’re like the dastardly characters in a Hawthorne novel… a bunch of fools and idiots who are aghast and disgusted when others fail for follow society’s rules, even when those rules don’t really make much sense.
Friday, September 21, 2007 at 2: 59 pm |
you’re famous AH!
Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 12: 28 am |
Eebmore,
I’m totally cool with legalized, legislated, regulated prostitution. But we don’t have that in Baltimore. In Pigtown, what seems to be happening is the terrorizing of folks who live there, and are only by zip-code connected to the sex-trade. When a so-called “victimless crime*” is actually victimizing folks who are neither interested in buying or selling sex, then it becomes a matter for law enforcement. And I don’t believe the whole “You chose to move THERE, you deal with it” argument. Sure, that’s easy for me in Timonium where the biggest crime I deal with is the occasional armed robbery in front of my apartment building — so, what, I shouldn’t be outraged about that armed robbery? Because I chose to live here?
When the johns are getting out of their car to threaten non-streetwalkers who tell them (rightfully) to “fuck off”, this is not just some lonely ugly guy who wants companionship, this is a violent individual who will, sooner or later, hurt someone who is in no way connected to the sex-trade.
*And when one of the participants has an intimate significant other with whom he or she is not aware of the other’s sexual liberties, then
Saturday, September 22, 2007 at 3: 31 pm |
And I don’t believe the whole “You chose to move THERE, you deal with it” argument.
I agree with Snay — that’s an idiotic argument at best. How many people live here and can’t (or don’t want to) blog about what goes on in the neighborhood, yet deal with the aftermath of violent crime, drugs, and prostitution? It’s not like you have a small handful of residents who are sometimes held prisoner in their homes because of what goes on outside — and they don’t have the means to move away. Those folks deserve a clean and safe community just like anyone else does — and until we clean up the streets, they’ll never have it.
Monday, September 24, 2007 at 10: 30 am |
But the question remains, where should it be moved to? Every metropolitan area has one or more high prostitution areas. You eliminate if from one place, it will regenerate somewhere else. Even Tehran has streetwalking district, the only difference there is the tricks wear the hijab and show a little hair and ankle to ply their trade. The Iranian morality police keep arresting them and the johns, but nothing eliminates the sex market. Sorry if the “you picked bad real estate” comment was harsh, but I still stand by it, and I too live in a red light district. Every year or so, the police push the transvestite street trade north a few blocks, but always comes back. And yes, in principle, it is too bad that there are crime ramifications from the sex market for the people who call these areas home; but, nothing can be done about it, by the police or anybody else. The only thing that will clean up an area is a rocket real estate market. If pigtown wants to clean up, pigtown better hope for a real estate miracle. Police may sometimes take credit for a reversal in a neighborhood’s or a municipality’s fortune, but it is always the real estate market. All one can hope for is that the police and local government don’t screw up a market trend. Then, hopefully, it will become someone else’s problem.
Monday, September 24, 2007 at 11: 05 am |
Wow. Just surfing the WaPo and came across this very topical article from today. Real Estate values in Logan Circle recently driving street walking trade away into NE residential areas. Police solution: Push it out into PG County.
Monday, September 24, 2007 at 12: 10 pm |
eeb-
While we agree for the most part I do notice that we have a few differences and I respect the amount of thought that you place into your argument and I must say “touché”.
On a side note eeb my academic accomplishment was not meant to boast rather lend some credence to the way I write. I am not a college freshman with a thesaurus. Rather a frequent visitor to charm city who cares about its preservation.
Monday, September 24, 2007 at 12: 16 pm |
For those of you that are “not liberal” even the bible discusses prostitution and Jesus remarked about how a Prostitute could get into heaven about those of money and power:
Passage Matthew 21:32: Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
Also you should consider that Jesus did not want you to chastise, or to judge but rather to assist people in finding there way back to walking in his flock:
Passage Matthew 25:40: “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
Monday, September 24, 2007 at 1: 02 pm |
DF: Your comment assumes that all readers here are Christian and that these passages matter to them.
Monday, September 24, 2007 at 1: 15 pm |
Dear Readers,
I approved all of the comments I received on this post, but now it’s time to move on and take up this discussion in your own blog space. Comments in this thread are officially closed. Thanks for your input, observations, and criticisms. It’s been lively!
Anger Hangover